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Thank you all very much for clarifying the matter

Posted by Miri Barak on April 11, 2003

In Reply to: A matter of understanding posted by Bob on April 11, 2003

: : : : I have two sentences which I find difficult to understand. I'll appreciate any help.
: : : : 1. "There has been a tendency to reduce political power to the actual application of force or at least to equate it with successful threats of force and with persuasion, *to the neglect of charisma*."

: : : : I have a problem with the last part of the sentence "to the neglect of charism". Does it mean - to the point of ngelecting charism?

: : : : 2. "That neglect accounts *in good measure for* the neglect of prestige as an independent element in international politics."

: : : : I don't understant the phrase or idiom "in good measure for" and how it is connected to the sentence.

: : : : Thank you so much
: : : : miri

: : : My opinion:

: : : 1. Yes, to the point of neglecting charisma. (Charisma: a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure, as a political leader. From

: : : Bully boys who threaten people instead of trying to win them over. (Get them by the b*lls and their hearts and minds will follow. Was that LBJ speaking?)

: : : 2. RE: good measure. I am away from my library. But the way I've heard the expression is, "I gave him one more for good measure." It's the practice of giving a little extra to make sure you aren't cheating someone. (Along the lines of "baker's dozen" = 13. Giving a little extra.) "Good measure" is a fair share plus a little more. I would say that sentence No. 2 means that the "neglect of charisma" is hugely responsible for "the neglect of prestige."

: : : Another expression that comes to mind is "lion's share" (The greater part of an allotment. "Dictionary of Cliches" by James Rogers.) The "neglect of charisma" bears the lion's share of responsible for "the neglect of prestige."

: :
: : Thank you so much ESC.
: : I also found the expression *for good measure*, but here it was slightly different - *in good measure for*. that accounts in good measure for my confusion.
: : Thank you (and I can imagine that you have an impressive library).
: : miri

: "Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds must follow" was, I believe, Chuck Colson.

: The original author would have been clearer if he/she had punctuated it properly:
: "That neglect accounts, in good measure, for the neglect of prestige as..." Here "in good measure" means "to a large extent."