Posted by Word Camel on October 15, 2004
In Reply to: Humping posted by GodivaWatcher on October 15, 2004
: : : : : I've just come across a review of a book called "Mind the Gap:The New Class Divide in Britain" but Ferdinand Mount (who I thought was dead). The book bemoans the rise of a lower class in Britain which is culturally impoverished and even 'worse than in the United States'. It seems to boil down to the fact that young Britons are aping Britany Spears and her brethren.
: : : : : I suspect the book is just finding a new name for an old phenomenom because it has a clearly identifiable look. Which brings me to the term "Chavs".
: : : : : From the review by John Lanchester:
: : : : : 'Chav styles and mores seem to take up more and more space in the public sphere, and more and more seem to be a focus of imitation by non-chavs: baseball caps, tattoos, swearing, spitting, fighting, calling your children Armani and Lexus.'
: : : : : For more on Chavs, there is a website entitled ChavScum (www.chavscum.com) and a book 'Chav!: A User's Guide to Britain's New Ruling Class'. (Ruling in the sense that they dominate fashion).
: : : : : From the website:
: : : : : "Here Chavs, Neds, Townies, Kevs, Charvers, Steeks, Spides, Bazzas, Yarcos, Ratboys, Kappa Slappers, Skangers, Scutters, Janners, Stigs, Scallies, Hood Rats, whatever you know them as, this site is about them, Britains peasant underclass that are taking over our towns and cities!"
: : : : : Anyway I thought it was a rich source of slang even if it is dubious sociology.
: : : : : I'm enclosing a link to the review.
: : : : : Best,
: : : : : Camel
: : : : we are discussing chavs lower down.
: : : : I mentioned the chavscum website in an earlier thread on this page - why start a new thread and taking my contribution into yours rather than continuing that thread?
: : : : was it the fact that the word 'pikey' is being subjected to reasoned discussion? if so that is unnecessary censorship.
: : : : Lewis
: : : I came across "Chavs" in a book review this morning before I even opened PF. I thought it was interesting enough to mention so I came straight here and posted it. Honest guv. No slight intended.
: : : I hadn't seen your mention of 'Chavs'or 'pikeys' as it happens, (it probably deserves its own thread anyway) which you posted at 4:22 AM my time.
: : : I didn't think to look at because I was under the impression that it was specifically about terms to do with people associated with railways. I saw it later and posted below.
: : : Camel
: : Bit of a coincidence that you independently posted a reference to the same site as me, the same date as me, but coincidence happens. It probably deserved its own thread, but there is a clear link to the original topic - words about being itinerant.
: : I'm not the Camel, so I'm not allowed to have the hump for long.
: : I worked in Aldershot and it really is the chav capital of South-Southern England. Fashion without style and the allure of an used condom.
: : Lewis
: Whats new?........like London in the early 70s.
Just reread SR's orignial post. You're absolutely right, it is about the itinerant. I must have misread it. I got the "Chavscum" reference from the review in the London Review of Books. I didn't know about the website before that.
"Chavs" seem more indigent than itinerant to me but it's hard to get a feel for it from a distance. Anyway, it's interesting and I'd like to know more about it. It seems like it's Essex Man/Loadsa Money for the new millenium. Maybe Essex Man moves to the home counties?
Anyway, apart from the hump that came with the suit, I never had the hump at all - just slightly bruised feelings - easy to mistake one for the other.