Over the edge
Posted by The Fallen on February 15, 2002
In Reply to: The Edge Of The Monitor posted by eswes jo6aj6 on February 15, 2002
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: : : : : : : : : : : Lindsay, I'm not trying to make you feel bad. It's just
that bad English bothers me more than the sight of mismatched socks, and
being in a position where you're setting an example for children, you have a responsibility
that not everyone has. Your post is in a style that became popular among teenagers
in recent years, a style that ventures far from standard English. Children look
to teachers to find out how adults should do things, including speaking and writing.
-- rb
: : : : : : : : : : Hmmm. Now it's very rare that I find myself in two minds about anything, but here I do. My instinctive Brit gallantry and sense of manners puts me firmly in the ESC camp, where the point that the poster has no ability to correct the errors is very well made. However, my equally instinctive Brit anal retentivism, combined with an unjustifiably arrogant sense of "holier than thou" when it comes to being correct in all matters linguistic makes me side with R. Berg. Now here's a tough call to make...
: : : : : : : : : : Looking at the original post, and presuming it was *really* posted by an elementary school teacher - so sue me, I'm a cynic - I can overlook almost everything, either putting it down to typo's or to today's inelegant yet widespread usage of heavily abbreviated computer-ese. HOWEVER, the use of "were" for the word "where" is just too much to swallow. That's neither a typo nor an abbreviation, and just grates horribly.
: : : : : : : : : : Another relevant cautionary tale, this time from the UK. I heard this on talk radio, as told by the grandmother of the child in question. Her 10 year old grandson returned from school one day clutching an English essay which he'd written. In this, his usage of the phrase "...should have done..." had been marked wrong and replaced with "...should of done..."!!!! Following a few frustrating calls to the school, the admirably belligerent grandma, who was clearly both a well-spoken and well-educated woman, marched up to the school to confront the English teacher. After 20 solid minutes of heated discussion, all she could get as an admission was that, although "...should have done..." MIGHT have been more correct "many years ago" (!!!), these days, "...should OF done.." was more correct, because of its widespread contemporary usage.
: : : : : : : : : : Sometimes I truly despair...
: : : : : : : : : I was waiting on a line at my local Verizon cell phone service center recently and I spot a sign detailing the various charges for service, one of which reads "75$ per hour per occurance".
: : : : : : : : : OCCURANCE???
: : : : : : : : : What the....?
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: : : : : : This was a sign that was not hand written. This sign was from corporate.
: : : : : : : : : ( Verizon is a very large telecommunications company located
in the USA. )
: : : : : : : : : So I turn to the woman with whom I was having
a conversation and point out the error and she states that I was incorrect and
that "occurance" IS the correct way to spell occurrence. She confirmed her knowledge
of the subject by stating that she was a teacher of Language Arts in the NYC schools.
: : : : : : : : : Talk about despair.
: : : : : : : : Talk about irony.
: : : : : : : : Here I am making an error also.
: : : : : : : : The above
price should have read "$75", not "75$".
: : : : : : : : Duh!!
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: : : what a night boss I just got back from that little
: : : : : : : tavern
around the corner where I was visiting
: : : : : : : relatives it s not a
bad place the pretzels are
: : : : : : : free and the barmaid knows me by
name
: : : : : : : anyway boss this place draws a high toned
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: : literary crowd at least if you believe what they
: : : : : : : say about
themselves and when I got there some
: : : : : : : of the regulars were arguing
loudly about matters
: : : : : : : of style it seems that style is very important
to
: : : : : : : these people although you wouldn t know it to
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: : : look at them I listened carefully from my perch
: : : : : : : among
the pretzels where I heard lots of tsk
: : : : : : : tsking about the state
of language nowadays
: : : : : : : as I said they take style very seriously
they were
: : : : : : : trading stories about incorrect this and misspelled
: : : : : : : that until finally one fellow pounded the table and
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: : : said what difference does it make we re not writing
: : : : : : : the
divine comedy here and I thought well I don t
: : : : : : : have a better
name for it do you by then it was almost
: : : : : : : closing time so I left
quietly pausing only to sample a
: : : : : : : puddle of spilled stout mixed
with something or other
: : : : : : : by the way boss thanks for the apple
pie it came just
: : : : : : : in time I had been thinking of taking another
job
: : : : : : : don t laugh boss I had a good offer of a domestic
:
: : : : : : position the family said they d treat me like one
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: of their own they seemed like swell people and
: : : : : : : I may take
them up on it in my next life I know
: : : : : : : that sounds absurd their
name is samsa
: : : : : : : archy
: : : : : : Mixed with the stout I mean. :)
: : : : : : Camel
: : : : : I know I know but as a matter of fact I thought
: : : : : it best to leave the exact recipe to the reader s
: : : : : imagination
what good is poetic license if one
: : : : : can t create a little ambiguity
it s enough to make ogden
: : : : : gnash
: : : : : archy
: : : :
: : : : Agreed.
: : : Disagreed. That'd be "poetic licence", you creepy-crawly, you. If I were you, I'd employ a better PR agent than Kafka in future.
: : One British translation of The Metamorphosis maintains that the insect in question was beetle. Though that seems to be missing the point entirely.
: : Speaking of PR, I have wondered what Betty and Veronica would think of Archie dropped his "ie" in favour a "y" and and exoskeleton.
: : Babbling Camel
: : (Who will
cease contributing to this thread now because it is getting dangerously close
to the edge of the monitor)
: the way I see it that s where we like it best eswes jo6aj6
Actually, Camel is correct. "Käfer", the noun used by Kafka in "Die Verwandlung" (aka Metaporphosis) is usually translated as the more generic "beetle". It's clearly related to the English verb "to chafe" as in to rub or scrape, something that some beetles allegedly do with their rear legs. Indeed, in the UK, there's a large beetle called the cockchafer, also known as the maybug.
Paradoxically enough, the typical German word for cockroach is "Schabe" or "Hausschabe", directly translatable as "Scraper" or "House Scraper". "Käfer" on the other hand has no other direct translation to my knowledge.
Aren't etymology and entomology wonderful things? Even so, I'd still invest in a Roach motel - they check in, but they never check out. Don Henley would be proud.
- Roach motel archy 02/15/02
- Roach motel bob 02/15/02