Posted by Abe on March 26, 2005
In Reply to: Just a cigar posted by Smokey Stover on March 26, 2005
: : : : Hi Pleas let me know what is the meaning of the phrase "Wedding card is a wedding card"
: : : Or the meaning of a phrase "Cigar is just a cigar". This quoted in New York times.
: : : : Thank you
: : "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" is attributed to Sigmund Freud. But there is no evidence that he actually said it. It means that sometimes a cigar is what it is and not a phallic symbol -- an elongated object representing a penis. "This line is beloved by showboat psychology professors who imitate Groucho Marx while telling students that Freud said that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." From "Nice Guys Finish Seventh: False Phrases, Spurious Sayings, and Familiar Misquotations" by Ralph Keyes (HarperPerennial, 1993).
: : (They probably imitate Groucho because he was another cigar smoker. The cigar story associated with him is that a woman explained her many children by saying, "I love my husband." And Groucho responded, "I love my cigar but I take it out once in a while." But I don't think Groucho actually said that.)
: : So, sometimes a wedding card is just a card. And not representative of something else.
: Victor Herbert, or his librettist, said (in one of Herbert's operettas), "A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." (I'm just the messenger.) SS
So, did Victor Herbert get "A woman is just a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." from Kipling or did Kipling get it from Herbert?