phrases, sayings, idioms and expressions at

Slight Tangent

Posted by Darren Williams on January 15, 2000

In Reply to: Slight Tangent posted by ESC on January 15, 2000

: : : I'm hoping not to curve this educational and fun forum but I have an arguement to solve with friends.
: : : Call it a phrase or a technicality but does anyone really know the truth about what constitutes someones name (phrase)to being a "junior" vs. 11 (the second).
: : : I was told that the American rules are not the same as the England rules. If your first name only is the same as your parent but your middle name is different then your are a "junior".
: : : But, if your first and middle names are the same as your parent then you're considered 11 (the second).
: : : Please help. And forgive me if I pivoted too far.

: : Neither the term 'junior' or 'II' are used in the UK and if there is a rule it is 'don't use that silly American expression'. I sould say that if you refered to a yound person as '******** junior' they would construe it as a term of abuse and punch you on the nose - in impolite society such as down in the public bar at the 'Dog and Duck' pub.

: : Hope this helps.

: You all over there in England have bars with names like "Dog and Duck" and think we Americans have silly expressions?? Our bars have nice sensible names like "Mom's" or the "Dew Drop Inn."

Now real English Pub names are interesting in that they originally all had painted signs which depicted some simple scenes, e.g., Plough and Horses, Eight Bells, The Kings Arms, etc. The population in those early days of the 14th and 15th centuries were, in the main, illiterate and travellers who couldn't read the words under the sign used the scene on the sign to identify the Pub - which was usually an hotel of sorts.