The Twelfth of Never

Posted by ESC on September 03, 2005

In Reply to: The Twelfth of Never posted by ESC on September 03, 2005

: : : : : : : : : Why do people want to say "Forever and a day"? Forever is already eternal, and why "and a day"?

: : : : : : : : Just a wild guess here, but probably because they want to express something to such a degree that it would be one day more than eternity.

: : : : : : : : "I will love you forever and a day" to express the endless degree of one's love.

: : : : : : : : "He is so slow, it will take him forever and a day" to express the degree of how slow he is.

: : : : : : : That extra day is added for emphasis. You might object on the same grounds to sentencing a defendant to several consecutive life terms, but it happens.

: : : : : : agree that the extra day is just for emphasis. But the phrase "a year and a day" crops up a lot in old English law, where leases and apprenticeships were made for "a year and a day", I think that "and a day" may have been added to avoid any suggestion that the lease or whatever came to an end in 364 days rather than 365. (Have we any legal historians on this board who could confirm?) The phrase is also used in traditional stories (as where an enchantment or whatever lasts for "a year and a day"). So I'm sure that's where the idea of "forever and a day" came from.

: : : : : The question of real interest to me is: can a person who asks this question understand the answer? That is to say, "forever is already eternal..." is quite literally true, and clinical, and bloodless, and well, prosaic. "Forever and a day" is a poetic expression that a prosaic person can't grasp; it's not functionally part of the engineering of the sentence. It's an extra cogwheel nailed onto the exterior of the steam engine. Dull would he be of soul who could reject such a tiny flight of fancy. Perhaps more satisfying to the prosaic would be "I will love you until August 17th at 10 am."

: : : : Bob--Wonderful! The answer to the question seemed abundantly clear to me--I guess I am more poetic than prosaic.

: : : My husband-to-be refused to help pick out the music for our wedding. So I selected some really smaltzy songs. I was married on the 12th. So one of our wedding songs was "The Twelfth of Never." Now that I think about it, it kind of doesn't make sense:

: : : You ask me how much I need you, must I explain?
: : : I need you, oh my darling, like roses need rain
: : : You ask how long I'll love you, I'll tell you true
: : : Until the Twelfth of Never, I'll still be loving you...

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: : Yes, more linguistic nonsense. Far too romantic for our literal-minded friends and grammar purists. What's needed is some reality-based wedding music:
: : You ask how much I love you, I'd say 'bout nine point three,
: : And the trend is moving upward, you've been so good to me.
: : Today we wed, tonight we bed, it could reach nine point eight,
: : At least until tomorrow, when I re-evaluate.

: I wish I could remember the song from a friend's wedding. It was a country song and way too realistic. Something along the lines of I'll love you until I don't. The marriage did last, by the way, until death parted them. www.womeninkentucky.com/ site/reform/b_mason.html

PS. Bob, you're a stitch. I predict a whole new product line -- Get Real Weddings.