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Re: Deluded=dogmatic - one way more than the other

Posted by Lotg on September 19, 2004

In Reply to: Re: Deluded=dogmatic posted by David FG on September 18, 2004

: : : A *deluded* cult-follower
: : : =firmly believing something that's untrue
: : : =*dogmatic*?

: : : thanks a lot
: : Not the same. Some dogmas may be true.

:
: Deluded means mistaken, but there is also a hint of meaning that the mistake comes from the action of others - ie that one has been deceived into error.

: DFG

I think this is a really good one you've raised FRO. Initially when I read this question, I thought - nup - two different meanings. But when you look up the meaning of dogmatic or dogmatism, they're not as far apart as I originally thought:

One entry MW offers for dogmatism.
Main Entry: dog·ma·tism
Pronunciation: 'dog-m&-"ti-z&m, 'däg-
Function: noun
1 : positiveness in assertion of opinion especially when unwarranted or arrogant
2 : a viewpoint or system of ideas based on insufficiently examined premises

Another version was:
adjective: characterized by arrogant assertion of unproved or unprovable principles

I found many other dictionaries that provided much the same definitions. So this in fact, does imply a certain delusion. Delusion of grandeur perhaps, well no maybe not grandeur, but deluding yourself into believing your absolutely correct with or without evidence.

The only problem is, that I think it's correct to say you can be deluded without being dogmatic, although it appears less likely that you can be dogmatic without being deluded.