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Not OK

Posted by Lewis on April 15, 2004

In Reply to: Re: OK = "Orl Korrect" posted by Smokey Stover on April 01, 2004

: : : Somebody asked me the question, now i'm curious, remember wondering about that when I was a kid too/

: : There are several theories. But the one that seems to be correct is that at one time it was a fad to use abbreviations for deliberate misspellings:

: : OK stands for "all correct" or the illiterate phrase "Orl Korrect."

: : Here (from the archives) is the complete list plus information on the "author" of the above theory, Professor Read.

: : "Devious Derivations: Popular Misconceptions -- and More than 1,000 True Origins of Common Words and Phrases" by Hugh Rawson (toExcel, Iuniverse.com, 1994, 2000). This reference has some new information on the origins listed here (new information in parenthesis), new origins and what could be the actual origin.

: : : : 1. Orrin Kendall biscuits, which soldiers ate during the Civil War.
: : : : 2. Short for Aux Cayes, a Haitian port that American sailors praised for its rum.
: : : : 3. Old Keokuk, a Native American tribal chief who was said to have signed treaties with his initials.
: : : : 4. OK stands for "all correct" or the illiterate phrase "Orl Korrect."
: : : : 5. U.S. President Martin Van Buren's nickname "Old Kinderhook" -- OK for short. He was a native of Kinderhook, N.Y.
: : : : 6. Choctaw word "okeh," (or "hoke") meaning "indeed" (or "It is so.")
: : : : 7. Scottish "auch aye", meaning "ah yes." (Or "och aye," meaning "okay.")
: : : : 8. From the French maritime phrase "au quai" meaning "at dock", and therefore at last safe from the ravages of the open sea.
: : : : 9. '0 killed' - the report of the night's death toll during the First World War.
: : : : 10. All clear after the shoot-out at O.K. Corral.
: : : : 11. Instruments calibrated at an Observatory at Kew had, affixed to them, a stamp, or impression, to authenticate that calibration. This stamp was O K - Observatory Kew.

: : : : New origins from Mr. Rawson's book:
: : : : 12. The abbreviation is for Oberst Kommandant, German for "Colonel in Command," used by either -- take your pick -- a General Schliessen or Baron von Steuben when initialing letters and orders during the American Revolution.
: : : : 13. It comes from the name of a freight agent, Obadiah Kelly, whose initials were widely disseminated on bills of lading.
: : : : 14. The abbreviation is for Open Key, popularized by telegraphers in the 1860s.
: : : : 15. It comes from the names of Lords Onslow and Kilbracken, who initialed bills after they were read and approved in England's House of Lords.
: : : : 16. From a misreading of "Order Recorded" on official documents.
: : : : 17. Or from Finnish "oikea," correct.
: : : : 18. From the Greek "olla," all, plus "Kalla," good.

: : : : Professor Allen Walker Read of Columbia University, "finally unveiled its (O.K.'s) origins in a series of magisterial articles in 'American Speech' in 1963 and 1964.What Professor Read discovered was that the abbreviation arose in a humorous manner at a time when Americans were indulging in a great deal of wordplay, including abbreviations, acronyms, puns and intentional mispronunciations and misspellings. The earliest example of O.K. that he unearthed (and it is so far still the oldest known specimen) is from the Boston 'Morning Post' of March 23, 1839. It appears in connection with a note by the paper's editor, Charles Gordon Greene, about a visit to New York of some members of the local Anti-Bell-Ringing Society. (The A.B.R.S., as it was usually known, was itself something of a joke, having been formed the previous year to oppose -- its name to the contrary -- an ordinance of the Boston Common Council against ringing dinner bells.) In an aside, Mr. Greene suggested that if the Bostonians were to return home via Providence, they might be greeted by one of his rivals, the editor of that city's 'Journal,' who 'would have the 'contribution box,' et ceteras, o.k. -- all correct -- and cause the corks to fly, like sparks, upward.'.Thus, it appears that O.K. was invented, possibly by Greene, as an abbreviation of the jocular 'Oll' or perhaps 'Orl korrect,' meaning "All right.' This explanation would seem farfetched, except for Read's finding that it dovetails with such coinages of the period as O.W. for 'All Right,' as though spelled 'Oll Wright' (this appeared in the Boston 'Morning Post' in 1838, the year before O.K.'s debut); K.G. for 'No Good'; and K.Y. for 'No Yuse.'."

: : : : So it looks like origin No. 4 is correct. Professor Read does believe that O.K. "certainly was popularized" by the use of Martin Van Buren's nickname, Old Kinderhook, (See No. 5) during the presidential campaign of 1840.

: I imagine that O.K., also spelled okay or OK, is one of the English words most often adopted into other languages. I sometimes watch Spanish-language television, where it is often used, and I've also heard it on Indian television, occasionally infiltrating Hindi. A common variant is "okey-dokey" or "okie-dokie," sometimes said as "hokey-dokey." It means, of course, "all right," which, in turn, is always an affirmative of some sort, or positive reassurance. "Are you all right [after your brush with death]?" "Yes, I'm okay, no problem." Or, for another example: "Will you do that, please?" "Okay, okay, I'll do it." Another: "You've got to stay home and babysit tonight. Are you okay with that?" "Yes, I'm okay with it; it's fine, no sweat." SS

I can't spot my favourite in the above - in France there is an area called Languedoc which translates as the place where they "say OK" - or as it was "oc" meaning yes - which happens to match the Scottish (northern Gaelic?) 'och'.

The Scottish pronounciation 'och' would be the same as that French one. 'och aye' for 'yes' is so common and the usage so old that 'Okay' or 'OK' for 'Och aye' must be a very strong contender. 'och' is an emphasis and has similarities in German and, it seems, Finnish.