Posted by Ben on February 15, 2000
In Reply to: Re: Freemasonry connection? posted by ESC on February 13, 2000
: : : : : : Fair and (even or balanced).
: : : : : : OK. I understand what fair means. But square?
: : : : : : Why does square mean balanced (ie: square meal)
: : : : : : Is it because there are four basic food groups-- hence, four corners of a square. What if there were only three basic food groups -would it be "Fair and Triangle"
: : : : : : P.S. Is this the same square as the 1950's cliche for nerd?
: : : : : Anything to do with a Masonic Connection perhaps? e.g. 'On the Square' 'On the Level etc..
: : : : : Ade
: : : : I suspect that it relates to "we're all square" after paying a debt, i.e., that nobody owes anybody anything. The deal is closed, it's fair to both sides, with no remaining obligations. Why "square?" Perhaps it relates to a carpenter's idea of perfection: "true, plumb, and square."
: : : I think in originates from the same source as a 'Square Meal': this expression grew out of the British Naval custom of serving meals on square wooden plates way back before the good old USA was the good old USA. I'll see if I can find an authoritative reference.
: : SQUARE - From "Listening to America" by Stuart Berg Flexner
(Simon and Schuster, New York, 1982).
: "Colonists were calling city blocks laid out on the grid plan 'squares' by the 1790s ( the term is often associated with Philadelphia but did not originate there). By 1832 men used 'square' approvingly to refer to the natural, even gait of a good horse in such expressions as a 'square-gaited' horse or a 'square trotter.' Bu 1836 'square' meant full or complete, as a 'square meal,' though people didn't talk about 'three squares a day' until 1882. By the 1850s 'to square' meant to put a matter straight and later to pay a debt.
: : As early as 1804, however, square had come to mean fair, honest, as in 'square fight,' with 'square talk' coming in 1860, 'square deal' appearing as a card player's term in the 1880s, and square shooter in 1920. However, it was Theodore Roosevelt who popularized the term 'square deal' in its generally sense.The term (square) was spread by bop and cool musicians in the late 1940s and early 50s, and then by beatniks and hippies, who used it pejoratively to refer to old-fashioned people and conformists."
: ON THE LEVEL (ON THE SQUARE) -- From "Heavens to Betsy" by Charles
Earle Funk (Harper & Row, New York, 1955): "In all sincerity, honesty,
or truth; on the up and up; the real McCoy. Both of these expressions
were taken from the ritual of Freemasonry and both are of legendary
antiquity. In the rites of the lodges, however, the level, an instrument
used by builders to determine a common plane, is actually a symbol
of equality. The square, an instrument of equally great precision
for determining accurately an angle of ninety degrees, the fourth
part of a circle, is a symbol of morality, truth, and honesty. 'The
Encyclopedia of Freemasonry' (1916 edition) relates: 'In the year
1830, the architect, in rebuilding a very ancient bridge called
Baal Bridge over Limerick, in Ireland, found under the foundation-stone
an old brass square, much eaten away, containing on the two surfaces
the following inscription (dated 1517)(V carved as U):
: I. WILL. STRIUE. TO. LIVE -
: WITH. LOUE. & CARE. -
: UPON. THE. LEUL. -
: BY. THE. SQUARE."
Good grief, whatever will be quoted next in support. A square brass plate under a bridge foundation stone in Limerick eh, now that 's evidence?. Bet it was lost 5 minutes after being discovered and only a verbal description remains, which was passed from father to son for generations until, at last, it was relayed to an itinerant scribe in Regan's bar one misty summer evening in 1946.