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Re: CANOE or TROLL

Posted by Lotg on September 29, 2003

In Reply to: CANOE posted by Bob on September 08, 2003

: : : : Hello. I'm curious as to the origin of the phrase, "Cat got your tongue". Does anybody understand how this expression came to be?
: : : : Thanks Kindly,
: : : : Kita

: : : "HAS THE CAT GOT YOUR TONGUE? Why don't you speak? Your silence is suspicious. The saying originated in the mid-nineteenth century and was used when addressing a child who refused to answer a parent's questions after some mischief. Often shortened to `cat got your tongue?'." From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996).

: : ESC, you're too modest. This is more of your post from 2000: "It's also used to address a shy child. I think its origin lies in the way of outdoor cats dragging little captives, chipmunks and such, into the house."

: : Here's a different comment from the archive: "The most surprising thing about "cat got your tongue" may be its relatively recent vintage. While it certainly sounds as if it must have been dreamt up back in the Middle Ages, the earliest written example listed in the Oxford English Dictionary is from 1911."

: : And a third, which appears to be a troll: "The expression "cat got your Tongue" comes from the English sailing ship days, and refers to the cat of nine tails, if the captain or other officer told someone something in secrecy he would 'get the cat' if he was to tell the others, naturally if the others wanted to know what had been said they would ask, tell us, or are you afraid!!! ..I.e. has the cat got your tongue!"
: : Troll or not, this last is definitely what another site,
: : http://pub122.ezboard.com/fwordoriginsorgfrm1
: : terms a "CANOE": Conspiracy to Attribute Nautical Origins to Everything, [a] term coined ... on this board to indicate the penchant of some to find an origin in maritime tradition for just about any word or phrase."

: That's a good one. A keeper.

:::: :::: Hmmmm, there seems to be so many potential origins of this saying - and none of them dull. And I love the CANOE. However, I'm interested to understand the use of the word 'troll' here. I've seen it used this way before on this site, and I've looked up my dictionary (which is less glamorous than those I've seen quoted), and none of the meanings of 'troll' seem to fit with the way you guys are using it. So what exactly does it mean in this sense?