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Re: Beyond the Pale

Posted by Shae on January 23, 2003

In Reply to: Re: Beyond the Pale posted by Gary on January 23, 2003

: : : In one of your recent discussions of "trailer trash," the phrase "beyond the pale" was used. Can anyone say from whence it came?

: : : "life is too uncertain to waste on quests of vane fortune when the language is the windmill which beckons tilting..."

: : Would those vanes be the ones at the top of the windmill?

: : "Beyond the pale" means, roughly, outside the picket fence, a pale being a stake. See discussion at the Word Detective's site, http://www.word-detective.com/back-q.html#pale
: : (link below).

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The Pale, in Ireland's case, was an earthen embankment rather than simply a wooden fence, and the term described both the structure and the area within. It encompassed an area much larger than just Dublin. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/ire1400.htm

Those within the Pale spoke English and obeyed English law. Those beyond the Pale were either heathen Irish or descendants of the original Cambro-Norman settlers who, although remaining loyal to the Crown, adopted Irish laws and customs and were, therefore, outside the limits of social convention.