Posted by TheFallen on October 26, 2002
In Reply to: Re: Stubborn as a mule posted by ESC on October 25, 2002
: : : : : : : : In my english class I have to write this paper on proverbs and back them up, either prove or disprove them. I am having the hardest time so if anybody has any ideas on how i could do this I would really appricate it.
: : : : : : : : Food for thought
: : : : : : : : In a nutshell
: : : : : : : : stubborn as a mule
: : : : : : : For starters, none of the three phrases you listed are actually proverbs. "Food for thought" is a metaphor. And the other two are what RBerg?
: : : : : : : A PROVERB is a piece of practical wisdom expressed in homely, concrete terms. For example: 'A closed mouth catches no flies.' (".synonymous with an ADAGE - is a short, popular saying that expresses a truth or insight; for example, 'a word to the wise is sufficient.") From "When is a Pig a Hog?: A Guide to Confoundingly Related English Words" by Bernice Randall (Galahad Books, New York, 1991).
: : : : : : To disprove or back up a proverb, you'd have to discuss whether the
"wisdom" is actually true.
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: : : : : : Isn't that a simile? (Stubborn as a mule)
: : : : : I am ashamed to say I don't know. All my education drained out of my head. From these definitions, I don't think so. But don't go by me.
: : : : Simile -- a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often
introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses). Metaphor -- a figure of speech
in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used
in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning
in money). Merriam-Webster online.
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: : : : : FOOD FOR THOUGHT - "Something to ponder; a provocative idea. It is a classic metaphor: food is crucial for the body, and the mind works best when given things to chew on. Robert Southey wrote, in 'A Tale of Paraguay' : 'A lively tale, and fraught with.food for thought.'" From "The Dictionary of Cliches" by James Rogers (Ballantine Books, New York, 1985).
: : : : : STUBBORN (OBSTINATE) AS A MULE - "Ornery. 'With no good reason, the mule is a proverbial type of obstinacy,' the 'Oxford English Dictionary' says. Many a mule driver would dispute the statement. If a mule does not want to go, it takes a considerable effort to get it going. At any rate, the impression of mulish obstinacy is of long standing. Maria Edgeworth's 'Absentee' says: 'She was as obstinate as a mule on that point.'" From "Dictionary of Cliches" by James Rogers (Ballantine Books, New York, 1985).
: : : : : IN
A NUTSHELL - From the archives: Entry for "Nutshell", _Dictionary of Phrase and
Fable_, E. Cobham Brewer, 1898: "The Iliad in a nutshell. Pliny tells us that
Cicero asserts that the whole Iliad was written on a piece of parchment which
might be put into a nutshell. Lalanne describes, in his Curiosités Bibliographiques,
an edition of Rochefoucault's Maxims, published by Didot in 1829, on pages one
inch square, each page containing 26 lines, and each line 44 letters. Charles
Toppan, of New York, engraved on a plate one-eighth of an inch square 12,000 letters.
The Iliad contains 501,930 letters, and would therefore occupy 42 such plates
engraved on both sides. Huet has proved by experiment that a parchment 27 by 21
centimètres would contain the entire Iliad, and such a parchment would go into
a common-sized nut; but Mr. Toppan's engraving would get the whole Iliad into
half that size. George P. Marsh says, in his Lectures, he has seen the entire
Arabic Koran in a parchment roll four inches wide and half an inch in diameter.
(See ILIAD.) 1
: : : : : To lie in a nutshell. To be explained in a few words; to be capable of easy solution."
: : : : OK. "Food for thought" is a metaphor. "Stubborn as a mule" is a simile. What is "in a nutshell?"
: : : I'd bet it's still a metaphor. However, the crucial point in this thread is that none of the 3 examples quoted above are proverbs, and so won't be of any use to the original poster and her English paper.
: : wait, stubborn as a mule was on the paper that my teacher gave to me in order to do this paper so what ever they are I guess really doesnt matter, the matter of fact is that I have to back them up with scinifitic info.
: Well, you might be able to prove or disprove "stubborn as a mule." First starters, take the information I gave you about the phrase. Then go to the Goggle search engine and type in "mule." There are several sites out there. Or interview a farmer who has mules. Then make a case for or against. To get you started:
"Mules are not really stubborn. They can seem lazy, but they will also not put
themselves in danger. A horse can be worked until it drops, but not so with a
mule. The 'stubborn' streak is just the mule's way of telling humans that things
are not right. Mules are very intelligent and it is not a good idea to abuse a
mule. They will do their best for their owner, with the utmost patience." The
American Donkey and Mule Society's Web site, accessed Oct. 25, 2002.
A small point of order here, and only because I'm feeling mischievous - how can one possibly prove or disprove only half of a comparative statement? Without knowing *who* is allegedly stubborn as a mule, a mule's rating on the Index of Relative Stubbornness is entirely irrelevant, no matter where it might lie in the overall range of values.
I know, I know, I'm just being difficult :)