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Re: Up a creek/river

Posted by R. Berg on November 09, 2001

In Reply to: Re: Phrase posted by Bob on November 09, 2001

: : Is "up the creek" the same as "up the river"?

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: Not exactly. While some people may use "up the river" to be synonymous with "up the creek" ... that is to say, "in difficulty" ... another common use (in the US, anyway) of "up the river" is "off to prison." (I thought, but I have no evidence to prove it, that sending someone "up the river" came from the relationship of New York and Sing Sing prison.)

In discussing "up the creek," a euphemistic form of "up Shit Creek [without a paddle]," Paul Beale (revising editor of Eric Partridge, "A Dictionary of Catch Phrases") says the word is invariably "creek." The Dictionary of American Slang has "send up" = sentence someone to prison--no mention of rivers. Then there's "sell (someone) DOWN the river."